Nothin But Net
Nothin But Net
NBA Win-Win Trade: Barrett for Anunoby and Others
Prepare to unravel the complexities of the NBA trade landscape as we dissect the seismic shifts caused by recent player moves. The exchange of RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickly for OG Anunoby isn't just a trade on paper—it's a concoction that's stirring the pot in the Knicks' kitchen and altering the taste of the Eastern Conference. Our breakdown peels back the layers of this strategic maneuver, revealing how Anunoby's melding into the Knicks' framework may very well set the stage for a championship chase. We don't just skim the surface; we probe the depths of salary cap implications and strategic foresights that could redefine the future of both franchises involved.
Have you ever wondered what it really means for a trade to be labeled a win-win? Turn the volume up as we spotlight the Anthony Davis saga, a gamble that brought gold to the Lakers but also ignited the rise of a star in Brandon Ingram. The parallels between Zion Williamson's fitness journey and the NFL's own Kyler Murray showcase the multifaceted challenges athletes face, while the unsung heroes like Josh Hart get the tribute they deserve. From the boardroom to the locker room, we lay bare the intricate web of decisions that shape the careers of these gladiators of the hardwood.
Finally, we thread the needle between analysis and speculation, drawing the arc of Trae Young and Luka Dončić's intertwined fates—a trade that has become the benchmark for mutual success. Looking ahead, we muse over the long-term prospects of the Barrett-Anunoby exchange, pondering whether this could be the genesis of the next era-defining move. With gratitude for your unwavering companionship on this journey, we promise to keep the pulse on the transformative waves of basketball trades, always ready to bring you the next thrilling chapter.
Hello everyone and welcome back to Neto and Blanette where we talk all things and everything basketball Music. I'm Ritham.
Speaker 2:I'm Cole, I'm Kaya.
Speaker 1:And I'm Daniel, and before we talk about what we're going to talk about today, I just want to say something real quickly. Today's date is January 15th, 2024. And when we started this podcast, it was October 2022. So we have been doing this for over a year and a couple months at this point, so that feels great, thank you. I just want to say thank you to all the people who have been listening on Spotify, youtube, apple Podcasts, instagram, tiktok, every single platform. Thank you, and we will have more episodes to come.
Speaker 1:Now back to the NBA. So a couple weeks ago RJ Barrett and Emmanuel Quickly were traded to the Toronto Raptors for OGN and OB, and so far the New York Knicks have been. They won on a five game win streak. They've been great with OGN and OB. He fits great into Tom Tibbeto's system and RJ Barrett and Emmanuel Quickly look like breakout stars for the reboting Raptors. So today we're going to be doing something a little bit different and we are going to be talking about some win-win trades that have previously happened in NBA history. So before we do that, let's just continue talking about the Barrett for N and OB trade. So does anybody have any specific opinions on that trade?
Speaker 3:I think it was good for both sides. Obviously, toronto now has a base to build off of, with Barrett, who has been doing really well, and also Emmanuel Quickly, and also now New York is pretty much in contention for a title if they make maybe one or two more moves for more bench-deaf Obviously after losing Barrett and Quickly. But yeah, good trade.
Speaker 1:And also when you said like they are one piece away from being contenders. When the Donovan Mitchell trade talks were happening to New York, the Knicks didn't want to give up Barrett, so they signed him to a Supermax contract. And now that they've traded that Supermax contract, they have so much salary cap that's off the books and they can go out and sign a Donovan Mitchell maybe or any other free agent who would be willing to come to New York, and that could be that one piece away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but Donovan Mitchell's contract isn't up for a long time.
Speaker 1:Two years, not the bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if they want to be contenders now, then they would have to make moves this off season instead of waiting or make a trade this off season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess. I mean, if LeBron doesn't pick up his player option, he's a free agent, but he's not going to go to New York.
Speaker 1:It's just an idea. But also Ogie and Anubi has fit so well into Tom Tibido's system as a coach and I knew that his defense was going to be good, but I didn't know that. I suspected that it could be. Maybe like not. A lot of people watch the Toronto Raptors so they think he's a good defender when he's really not. But now he's in the mainstream market of a New York Knick. He's great. He fits in with Jalen Brunson, julius Randall, he's bases of the floor and he's doing well in Tom Tibido's system. So that's a great trade for both teams, daniel do you have anything else to say?
Speaker 2:I agree with what you and Collar are saying. I mean, I don't know what else I can say about this topic, but Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love the RJ Barrett and Manuel Quickley, Scotty Barnes core to move the forward and Grady Dick also.
Speaker 3:I forgot about him.
Speaker 1:And whoever they get back for Pascal Ziakum. So I'm excited for the Raptors future. But now let's move on to our own segment, where we talk about previous win-win trades from NBA history. So how about we start? From right to left, let's go. How about, danny, you want to start?
Speaker 4:Oh, sure, so I'll be talking. Yeah, sure, so I'll be talking about a 2010 trade the Indiana Pacers trading Paul George to Oklahoma City 2018. 2018. Okay, wait, you're just saying it was in 2010. Okay, so I'll be talking about a 2018 trade, which is Indiana Pacers trading Paul George to OKC for.
Speaker 4:Demontus Sabonis. A lot of people thought that this trade was not a win-win trade because, even though both teams didn't see much success, okc, they traded Paul George, their star player, for their franchise player currently Shaguelus Alexander, and the Pacers traded Sabonis for their current franchise player, tyrese Hallibur.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's actually it turned out well for both teams because, like you said, they traded both of these players for their franchise players, but also, like, like Victor Oladipo and Demontus Sabonis turned into all stars for the Pacers and they they took the LeBron James Cavaliers, who ran the Eastern Conference for four straight seasons. They took that team to a game seven. They unfortunately lost, but, like you, take LeBron James to a game seven. That's how you know you're a good team. Yeah, and then also, yes, the OKC Russ, paul George that sure you could say it didn't work because the Dame shot sent them home, but still you have to acknowledge Paul George was top three in MVP and top three in defensive player of the year in 2019. So that, especially coming off of his injury that he had early on in his career, the fact that what amazing things that he was able to do in OKC. Yes, it neither teams got much playoff success from them, but we have to acknowledge what the players did and I think that's great, yeah.
Speaker 1:Does anyone have anything else to say? All right, so now, after we talk about that, I have a trade. I have actually two trades that could be considered as win-win trades, and I think the first one is pretty obvious to all of us as the biggest win-win trade of the modern era, and that's Halliburton for Sabonis. Yeah yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure this is pretty self-explanatory to everyone, but Tyree Taliburn has been their franchise player. He's an all-star starter, arguably the best point guard in the East this year, and he's their franchise player. The Pacers have a nice future. The Kings have Sabonis. The Fox and Sabonis duo has been great. They're both NBA last year and, like the beam, they made the playoffs and they're going to be contenders for years to come.
Speaker 2:Of course, but in my opinion, I feel like in the moment in Sabonis trade, I feel like the Kings would have won, but in the future I feel like Tyree is going to do a lot more for the Pacers, considering that he might be a future MVP candidate. He's averaging 24 points. He's just doing so well, especially this season. I just feel like there's a lot of good things coming for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can definitely see that opinion.
Speaker 4:Also talking along with what you said, I think this is also considered a woodwind trade, because the Kings haven't been to the playoffs in 16 years. The Kings got Sabonis, who is one of the NBA's most reliable interior scorers. They made the playoffs and they were contenders.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly, yeah, and I feel like also going off of Kaya's point where he said Tyree is going to be better for longer. Tyree's game doesn't really revolve on athleticism Exactly. Well, yes, sabonis's game doesn't rely on athleticism also, but we can kind of see, as he gets older, we can kind of see his decline. I mean, he's still an all NBA type player, but we can definitely see the decline from last season to this season to not a huge decline, but just like a slight decline.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Tyree's is going to be. The Pacers are going to be very good for years to come.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also not to like put the Kings down, but Sabonis, he's a great player, but he's missing a lot of aspects that a good big should have.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yes, but to contrast that point, we're other than Embiid and Yanis. We are kind of moving on to a new era of the game with stretch bigs and like, look at Yokoch, sabonis is baby Yokoch. Because we're like, looking at these point bigs, like Sabonis runs the offense for the King. The real point guard of the Sacramento Kings is not to Aaron Fox, it's to Montessabonis, and I feel like we're like he's the great modern day big. Sure. 20 years ago he might not have been, but he's a great modern day, big. So yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, I was also going to say that the way that the Kings dealt with the trade like they had to, they had to like really good point guards that weren't going to be able to like be so sufficient for themselves like together. So essentially they had to at least get rid of one and even though they probably shouldn't have drafted Halliburton, it kind of worked out because they were able to obviously get Sabonis and get the big that they really needed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But just walk with me for a second. Imagine I know that these conversations always like pisses me off when I see it on Twitter right, but did the Kings like not the? Did the Kings trade the wrong point guard? But imagine a Halliburton Sabonis duo the pick and roll, the pick and pops, the pick and fades, and like the great pastor that Halliburton is.
Speaker 2:I feel like that worked really well with the Kings offense.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But to play devil's advocate, to my own point, the trade for Halliburton for Sabonis was not Halliburton for Sabonis, it was Tyrus Halliburton, buddy Heo, tristan Thompson, whatever For Halliburton, sabonis or not. For it was Halliburton, buddy Heo, tristan Thompson, whatever For Sabonis, a pick and Malik Monk, because Malik Monk would not have signed in Sacramento if Demontius, if Tyrus Halliburton was the point guard.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He only signed in Sacramento because De'Aaron Fox was our point guard, and we can all say that that turned out amazing, exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Danny's one of Malik Monk's biggest fan, right.
Speaker 4:You want to say some things about him. Just seeing him in the playoffs like all those fast breaks he did as well. I think that's what made him my favorite player, because I love how his play style is. He's running up and down the court and he's always trying to get a shot in and you can see the pattern. And he's so good at finishing as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He plays so aggressive and it works Like it's great and Mike Brown and everything. We're not going to glaze the Kings too much in this episode but like, still, the trade has been a great win-win. But for my second trade, can I bring up a trade? Is this too early to say? Yeah, but can we say that the James Harden trade to LA Clippers wasa win-win trade?
Speaker 2:The James Harden to LA Clippers. It's too early.
Speaker 3:Think about it Because we're still, we're still, we're still in the regular season. It's too early.
Speaker 1:The Clippers are real contenders. Yes, they are real contenders, but and the Sixers Tyrese Magsy has taken that leap and their bench depth. They got Marcus Morris in the trade. They have Nicholas Batum. They got all these pieces in the trade that have improved their bench depth. It could be a win-win at this point.
Speaker 3:No, it's too early. You have to see how each team performs in the playoffs. And also I kind of think that Magsy would have still made those leaps with Harden still in Philadelphia. I guess you could say that and also, I think a Magsy Harden and B team is better than a Kawhi Paul George and Harden team.
Speaker 1:But then how did they lose? How did they blow a 3-2? We saw Magsy Harden and B team like they did in the regular season?
Speaker 3:Yes, we did, but obviously Magsy wasn't as good as he is this year, being one of the top 5 point guard in the league right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's not like Magsy just got better. He got more opportunity.
Speaker 3:Yes, that is true, but I feel like that if they had kept with Hardin and beat him Maxi for this year, it might have been able to work out better than it did last year, because last year they were fine, except they blew a lead in the playoffs because Joel Mbisa playoff choker and they need to like and also Doc Rivers isn't really that good of a coach. Obviously they got rid of Doc Rivers and now they're doing as well with pretty much the same core, except minus James Hardin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's not like they could have kept James Hardin? James Hardin was forcing his way out and if they weren't going to trade him, then he would have signed in Houston or wherever he wanted to go, and he literally locked out the game. So like they were forced to trade James Hardin.
Speaker 3:Yes, they were forced to trade him.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So I mean, yeah, I guess I understand your point. We have to see to the playoffs, but right now it's really looking like a win-win trade. Maybe that's just me, maybe that's just the hot. Yeah, you know. All right, cole, you want to say your trade.
Speaker 3:All right, my trade is Anthony Davis for Wanzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, josh Hart and Epic. Now for this trade. I feel like it's a win-win because obviously the Lakers got Anthony Davis, while they weren't as good for like the first two years, missing the playoffs, one of those years, when they got to the bubble, they obviously won a championship. And then this past season they went to the playoffs, to the conference championship game, and for the Pelicans, obviously the main star is Brandon Ingram, who has pretty much turned into an all-star for the last two seasons and he's obviously been really good for that team and he's a player that they can still build around because he's still relatively young and obviously because they were pretty bad, they got Zion Williamson as well, which is why a lot of people just like refer to this trade being AD for Zion, because it kind of is, but not like in the details. So I think also like the Pelicans have a quarter build around. Obviously if Zion like starts to like lose some weight, then they'll be pretty good.
Speaker 1:And they could be contenders eventually. All right, yeah. Yeah, I know Kai was going to say something, so I'll let you talk right after I'm done with this point, but I feel like the main goal in the NBA is a championship, right? So we can never say that the Lakers lost this trade because they got a championship, if you get a championship, you don't lose the trade. You can't lose the trade if you want a championship.
Speaker 2:Of course, like I was about to say something related to that topic, saying that obviously the Lakers won this trade, because I know like it's easy to see it as AD for Zion, but what is Zion doing right now? He?
Speaker 3:needs to lose a lot of weight. Yeah, yeah, he's literally trying to be like Shaq from Walmart or something he was out for, like he was out for an extra long time.
Speaker 2:Now he's doing a bunch of things that are not related to basketball, not focusing on basketball, getting two different people pregnant at the same time. So much drama is revolving around him that he really like he lose a lot of value.
Speaker 1:Did you say he's getting two people pregnant at the same time?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:The Mariah Mills thing was so funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he lose a lot of value as a player. Once the media is focusing on all these different aspects of you and you're not he needs to get it together.
Speaker 3:He really needs to get it together. Once he gets it together and stops trying to be like Shaquille O'Neal from Walmart, then he can actually do something in this goddamn league.
Speaker 1:No, he was the most hyped up prospect.
Speaker 2:And for good reason, and for good reason.
Speaker 1:And yet, for good reason, he was the best college player of the entire 2000s. Yes, they didn't win the national championship, but that was because RJ Barrett sold. That wasn't because Zion sold yeah.
Speaker 3:And now he's moved on to the NBA, where we've seen flashes of potential.
Speaker 1:Every time he plays.
Speaker 3:He's too fat.
Speaker 1:Every time he plays, he's a top 20, top 15 player in the NBA, but that's when he plays.
Speaker 1:That's when he plays, he's missed out on what, like three full years already, he missed one full year and combined it's probably two years, because he missed half of his rookie year, half of it. He missed half of his rookie year. He played his full second year. He missed his entire 30 year and half of his fourth year and this season I mean I might give up on Zion, but I mean the Zion piece wasn't a part of the trade, it was Brandon Ingram and we cannot deny Brandon Ingram's Brandon Ingram is just like that guy.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he's so underappreciated. Nobody talks about Brandon Ingram when he's consistently a top 30 player in the NBA. Nobody talks about him. He, he's consistently willing this team to great greatness, sure greatness. You can call the eight seed, but if his, his best is, quote, unquote Best teammate is at home playing 2k, drinking sprite, cranberries, eating Doritos, texting Mariah Mills, being like what's up, shoddy, hit me up, baby right, instead of actually playing basketball.
Speaker 3:It's, it's what do you in the end? He needs to get his mindset kind of like In like. He needs to get his mindset like into basketball mode, because he's kind of like Kyler Murray. If Kyler Murray Murray was able to just like, chill at home and play Call of Duty.
Speaker 1:I don't understand that reference, but I'm pretty sure if anyone's listening to this and they know football they might understand that reference. I don't think that's pretty new but you don't get it. I don't get that reference.
Speaker 3:Don't, I can't. I can explain to you right now.
Speaker 1:Exploit it to me right now.
Speaker 3:So pretty much Kyler Murray's contract. There is like a thing where, like he has to study film and he can't like, and he has to like do that a lot because apparently he would not study filming, would just play Call of Duty Instead of studying film, which led to like the Cardinals, like not doing well. So in his contract there is stuff for, like we has to like study film every day and is that a? Call of duty. He's pretty much. They are both in the same year.
Speaker 1:He was 2019. Yeah okay, wow, but yeah, man, it's, it's Zion cracks me up.
Speaker 2:So I mean but really I don't see that as a win-win, I Obviously don't see that as a win-win.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I kind of agree with you, because we haven't really seen much come out of Zion and We've, only we've only seen a lot come out of the Lakers, which is, which was a chip, and on top of that an 80 and Lebron combination.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but 75 player, but sorry, oh, yeah, you did okay, but to play devil's advocate, the main piece of the trade was in Zion, it was Brandon Ingram, yeah, and also they traded a piece in that trade Josh Hart For CJ McCullum. So like they got their starting point guard.
Speaker 3:They got their starting shooting.
Speaker 1:They got their starting shooter and they got their starting power forward eventually. Sure yeah, sometimes 50% of the time they got there starting.
Speaker 1:Yeah and also they literally have three first-round picks in the future from the Lakers, and the Lakers are 19 and 21, so that first round pick will be extremely good. So I mean time, what's out? Once those three first round picks are done and this trade is done, we can see finally what this turned into and maybe we can judge it then. Right now it seems like both teams won the trade, but if they draft busts with those picks and Brandon Ingram Request a trade and it just turns nasty Zion never pans out, then this could be a win for the Lakers, but only time.
Speaker 1:Yeah all right, and finally, let's end things up with Kyah's trade.
Speaker 2:All right, my trade was pretty big trade back in 2018-19. It was Luca and Trey, young on draft day, of course, of course. No, I mean obviously like I mean this really can't count as a trade, but it can also come as a draft drafts trade because it was like they was pre-planned that they were gonna, that the Hawks were gonna switch for Tray, luca for a tray because they felt that Trey had more the attributes that the Hawks needed on their team.
Speaker 2:Yeah but I mean Clearly. They lost. Here Clearly I mean not not very clearly, but like it wasn't that I'm in the future they lost.
Speaker 3:No, you can't determine yet. To me it's the same thing with kind of Sabonis and how and how a burden, because While it's a win-win trade because they're both really good players, no one's really won anything yet. So you can't really Determined, like you'll have to see how both of their careers play out, until you can like determine whether this trade was really good or really bad for a particular team.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, sure you could say that, but for this win-win trade in particular, I personally feel like, in my opinion, that loot that that the Mavericks one. I feel like the Mavericks have the better player, they have the overall better, better, I Don't know how to say it like franchise header.
Speaker 4:But the Mavericks made Luca what he is today, which is One of the best players in the NBA.
Speaker 3:Yeah, more so. Jason. Kid Made Luca who he and also he had that, that rookie.
Speaker 2:He was a rookie of the year his first year over trade, so he had a. He had a like a little head start before him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um. But yeah, I'm biased 100% because the Hawks are my second favorite team. Trey young is my favorite player in the NBA. I'm wearing his jersey right now, oh. But I mean, can we? I feel like the piece that makes this a little bit more of a win for the Mavericks is the fact that it wasn't just Trey for Lucas. Straight up, it was Trey and the 10th overall pick of the next year, or Trey in a first round pick For Luca. Now, this, this first overall pick, it was in 2019. It turned out to be the 10th overall pick. So they could have drafted Jordan pool, they could have drafted Kelvin Johnson and they could have drafted Kevin Porta Jr. Actually, never mind, not that kind of board anything, but they chose Kam Reddish.
Speaker 1:Which wasn't very good and then they traded Kam Reddish two years later for Kevin Knox.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which also wasn't very good and then they waved Kevin Knox. So essentially it was just Luca first Trey, straight up.
Speaker 1:And they could have. They could have drafted killed in Johnson and they could have drafted heck Jordan pool right.
Speaker 3:I don't. I don't think Jordan pool and Trey young would have worked out sure, but it would have been better than. Try young in the jaunty right now.
Speaker 1:No, it would have been better than just trading Kam Redditch after three years, because they never gave him any minutes.
Speaker 3:That's true.
Speaker 1:And yeah sure, camera was a pivotal piece in the conference finals run. I will admit that. But they handled his career Horribly because he went to New York he never got any playing time. He went to Portland he never got any playing time, he went to. He's now in LA with the Lakers and Is he starting.
Speaker 3:Isn't he like, like and one of the weird that's like starting rotations. Yeah, darwin, ham, and it's that that's a topic for another another time and it's he's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's too much to talk about right now, but yeah, I mean going back to train. Look, if we look at them, players, I Like sure, young buddies. My favorite player in the NBA, luca, is the better player if we just admit that he's one of the best players in the obviously like once you look at their accolades, trey has two all-stars and all rookie and I think, I think that's it.
Speaker 2:But Luca has four all-stars for all NBAs and he has the all-rookie as well. Yeah and he's averaging. He's been averaging more points every single year of his career.
Speaker 3:I would also like to argue for Trey young that Luca has had the better teams Throughout both of their ten years Like, while they both have made conference finals, the hogs did do more in the conference finals than the mask is a mask pretty much just like.
Speaker 1:We're here, we don't care, we're just gonna like do whatever Call me crazy, call me crazy, but the the Atlanta Hawks were up to one against the Milwaukee Bucks. Trey young hurt his ankle. He was out for the rest of the playoffs. Call me crazy. They would have beaten the Bucks if Trey young didn't get hurt they might have, because he got hurt.
Speaker 1:Midway through the third quarter he and the the Hawks were up by like 10, 15 points and then Trey young went down. The Bucks came back and the series was tied to do. If they had won that game, maintain the lead, they would have gone up 3-1. They they were not gonna blow a 3-1 lead to the Bucks. They would have gone to the finals and tell me that they wouldn't have beat the Phoenix Suns with Trey young, healthy.
Speaker 3:They maybe, maybe so.
Speaker 1:The Atlanta Hawks would be a me a champions right now Because of Trey young and he was a part of that trade right here was the main piece of that trade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but obviously he got injured, so then you can't really say I hate when people say because Luca is better, the Hawks of the, the Mavericks, won this trade, but you look at Luca, what a the his first year. He had dirt. Sure, a dirt was aging, it's fine. It's his rookie year. His second year, they got him. Chris stops posing, is an all-star out of yeah, yeah, I did not work. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't want to be teammates.
Speaker 3:They. They tried to make it work and then they just traded Him a way to Washington.
Speaker 1:I know and then they got Dinwiddie, they got Brunson it didn't work. They got Kyrie missed the play. Like people keep saying, oh, the Mavericks are wasting Luca's prime.
Speaker 3:If the Mavericks had Trey young, they would be NBA champions with the teams that they had right now.
Speaker 1:I stand by that Trey and Chris stops posing his lob threat it's, it's, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3:And then Trey and J when Brunson, and then Trey and Kyrie. Those are really good teams. Yes and then, but you could also maybe put it down to Jason kid is kind of like not able to Mesh players with Luca. Obviously now with Luke and Kyrie They've been. It's worked because they are a top six seed in the playoffs right now, I believe.
Speaker 3:Seventy or seven seed and it's kind of like with how close the Western conferences. They could, if they like, keep this consistency up. They could potentially like get into the playoffs and not have to fight their way in through the plan, but for the Hawks they are possibly gonna miss a playoffs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but that's not sure young's fault. No, that's not Trey young's fault.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's more that the Hawks are right now incapable of building around Trey young, which they haven't really been able to since he's been there. Sure, they had that conference finals run, but that was more off the backs of Trey young and not really the backs of the team because they had the team in 2021. They've tried to run it back and it didn't work.
Speaker 1:I mean, and also the Atlanta Hawks have the worst ownership in the NBA. I will stand by that because, literally, the owner made the GM his son like, or the his son the GM yeah, his son has never had any GM experience. It's, it's stupid. And then he traded three first out picks for the John team, I mean, but it's a whole different topic. Yeah, I don't want to get into that. The Hawks have disappointed me my entire life, but let's do this, okay. Um, I Think Trey has done more with less.
Speaker 2:He has a more.
Speaker 1:Okay, obviously yes and and people keep Denying the fact that Trey has accomplished more in the playoffs than Luca. Because Sure, yeah, luca, he made the playoffs. He loot. Ray has made the playoffs more times than Luca. Trey went to the conference finals for before Luca and Trey. Literally every single time he, like he always puts up a fight versus Boston, the, the dominant Boston Celtics. He literally took two games from them Versus Milwaukee, the NBA champions. He went up to one Versus Miami. He hit a game winner, at least one, one game if Luca, if there's a Higher-seated team, luca will get swept. So Trey, he To put up a fight and he is not a playoff dropper. He dropped 45. I don't know, this might be a sensitive topic for Kaia, but he dropped 45 points against the Cleveland Cavaliers to make the playoffs. 45. You think? You think Luca would do that.
Speaker 3:No, I mean.
Speaker 1:In the regular season, he in the regular season he does that for breakfast.
Speaker 3:But in the playoffs is it's a different story. Unless it's against the Phoenix Sun, he has not done much again the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the sun's thing is it's probably puts it over the top.
Speaker 3:That's also another episode where we can talk about the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, okay but you know, these arguments are a reason that these are win-win trades.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but the fact that I'm saying Trey is really good and you too, kai and core saying Luca is really good, just furthermore proves how much of a win-win it was, because both of us have really good points on why one side one and why the other did it yeah, and that just furthermore proves that it's a win-win. So, yeah, I think all four of the trades, all five of the trades that we mentioned, were win-win trades. And, going back to the Beginning, we will see how Barrett for Anno B Works out in the future, if the Knicks can make a move and.
Speaker 1:Barrett's only 23 and Manuel quickly is only like 21. So the the Knicks I mean the Raptors definitely have a great future ahead of them. Yeah but only time will tell. So thank you everyone for listening to this episode of nothing. Manette, thank you for a year and a half of support and we will see you next time. Bye.
Speaker 3:Goodbye.